Fanuc SP9041:(S) ILLEGAL 1 REV SIGN OF POSITION CODER

SP9041 Alarm Means: The position where the one rotation signal of Position coder is generated is incorrect.

Position coder connected with the timing belt in Turning machine
Position coder connected with the timing belt in Turning machine

Likely cause of Alarm SP9041

  • The coder cable at the spindle amplifier coder port (JYA3/JYA4) may be unplugged or loose.
  • The external encoder timing belt may be loose or slipping.
  • The shaft of the external encoder may be loose, damaged, or broken.
  • The pulley teeth of the external encoder may be worn out.
  • The pulley or timing belt of the main spindle may be worn out.
  • The external encoder itself may be faulty.
  • The external encoder cable may be faulty.
  • Electronic noise or poor shielding/grounding on the feedback cable may be reducing signal amplitude

Step by step diagnosis procedure :

1.Confirm the symptom:

Note down when the alarm appears: at power-up, at spindle stop, or when the cable moves with the axis travel. Intermittent appearance during motion often points to cable/connector movement or EMI issues. Give M Code M19 & check whether the spindle is taking Orientation or not.

2.Visual inspection ( Panel and Motor Side)

  • Inspect the external encoder connector. Oil mist and coolant aerosols can condense inside the connector housing, creating conductive residue that degrades signal integrity between the external encoder and the spindle amplifier. Clean and dry the connector thoroughly to restore reliable encoder communication.
  • Inspect the spindle sensor/encoder feedback cable from the motor to the spindle amplifier: look for cuts, crushed sections, oil/coolant wicking, and bent or oxidized pins at both ends. reseat firmly, and ensure keyed orientation.
  • Verify the feedback cable is not routed in the same bundle as the spindle power cable; route separately and ensure proper cable shield termination at the designated shield clamp/ground.

3) Check connector designations and seating at the spindle amplifier

  • Identify the coder connector (commonly JYA3) on your spindle amplifier; reseat these connectors and inspect for pin push-back or damage.
External encoder wire connected on port JYA3
External encoder wire connected on port JYA3

4) Encoder signal quality

  • External encoders serve as critical feedback devices in CNC systems, providing position and velocity data to machine controllers. Over extended operational periods, encoder signal quality progressively deteriorates through environmental contamination, mechanical wear, electrical degradation, and thermal stress.
  • Signal degradation manifests as reduced peak-to-peak voltage amplitude, increased signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) degradation, and phase jitter. As signal amplitude approaches controller input threshold sensitivity levels, pulse detection becomes unreliable, resulting in missed edge recognition events.
  • This deterioration directly compromises system performance through multiple failure mechanisms. Reduced signal integrity causes cumulative positioning errors, servo loop instability, and spindle synchronization failures. Degraded encoder feedback triggers protective alarms such as “ILLEGAL 1 REV SIGN OF POSITION CODER” suspending programmed operation and halting spindle rotation.
  • Physical degradation occurs through metal chip and coolant residue accumulation on optical surfaces, bearing wear inducing runout and alignment drift, connector corrosion increasing contact resistance, and thermal cycling causing material fatigue in optical and electronic components.
  • Preventive maintenance includes regular inspection of encoder optics and connectors, implementation of protective covers to minimize contamination and scheduled encoder replacement based on operational hours and environmental severity. Systematic signal quality monitoring ensures sustained dimensional accuracy and operational reliability in CNC machine tools

5) Verify sensor type vs. parameters

  • Confirm the spindle sensor/encoder type installed matches the spindle parameter bits that select the sensor/coder type. A mismatch (e.g., wrong encoder type selection) will present as an abnormal/disconnected coder signal. Correct the parameter and cycle power if required.
  • Parameter to set external encoder is as below with detail.
  • You can bypass the external encoder by making 1th bit to zero of parameter 4002 .
default vlue of bit 1 in 4002 parameter
default value of bit 1 in 4002 parameter

For bypass the external encoder you have to make bit no1 to zero of parameter 4002.

Making bit 1 zero of 4002
Making bit 1 zero of 4002

To run the machine in emergency you can bypass the external coder by parameter 4002 but be clear that threading operation will not work in turning machine .After bypassing the external encoder you have to set feed and rpm of the program because now you are using rpm of spindle motor.

6) Shielding and EMI mitigation

  • Ensure 360-degree shield termination at the amplifier end, proper ground bonding, and physical separation from high-current motor/power cables to prevent electromagnetic interference that can mimic disconnection.

7) Cable replacement test

  • If the alarm persists after reseating/adjusting and EMI checks, substitute a known-good feedback cable between motor sensor and spindle amplifier to eliminate cable faults. Cable failures are a frequent cause of “ILLEGAL 1 REV SIGN OF POSITION CODER.”

8) Sensor and amplifier checks

  • If a good cable does not resolve it, swap in a known-good spindle motor encoder (or Position coder) if practical. Persistent faults after cable and sensor replacement may indicate an issue on the spindle amplifier control PCB and warrant amplifier repair/replacement.

9) Power-up and verify

  • Restore power, clear alarms, and test low-speed spindle jog, then run through typical RPM ranges while monitoring that SP9041 does not recur. Pay attention to positions where cable flexes or where coolant spray is present.

Practical tips

  • If the alarm appears only when the spindle is stopped, focus on parameter/sensor selection and connector integrity; if it appears when axes move, focus on cable flex points and shielding/EMI.
  • Keep feedback connectors protected from coolant; reroute or sleeve cables to prevent future ingress and intermittent signal loss.

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Deepika Varshney

I am an accomplished engineering professional with over 12 years of experience in the CNC (Computer Numerical Control) industry. I hold a Bachelor of Technology (B.Tech.) degree in Electronics and Communication Engineering, which laid the foundation for my technical expertise and problem-solving skills. Throughout my career, i have been deeply involved in various aspects of CNC machine operations, automation systems, and process optimization. My extensive background covers areas such as machine installation, commissioning, maintenance, and troubleshooting of advanced CNC systems. I possess a strong command over industrial control technologies and continuously upgrades my knowledge to stay aligned with modern advancements in the manufacturing sector. Known for my systematic approach and technical precision, I have contributed significantly to improve equipment reliability and operational efficiency in multiple industrial environments. My dedication, leadership, and continuous learning attitude make me a respected professional in the CNC engineering community.

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